Why So Much Hatred From the PC Guys Towards The PlayStation 4?

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Why So Much Hatred From the PC Guys Towards The PlayStation 4?


For a little over 7 years now, there's been an intense and imaginary war between the supporters of Sony's PlayStation 3 against those of Microsoft's Xbox 360. The Nintendo and PC crowd sort of been the spectators in a sense, watching the action unfold from the sidelines and very rarely get mixed in the fray.

But it seems that Sony's announcement of the PlayStation 4 on the 20th of February have sent shock waves across the gaming community, setting the internet ablaze and changing the whole dynamics of this " imaginary war" by bringing in a new foe. In comes the "PC Guys", a group of guys who knows computers inside and out. They can give you a pretty accurate synopsis of your computer just by using their sense of smell, while using terminologies like "GTX 680, 2560x1600 resolution". Yes, a pretty rare specimen indeed. But up until February 20, they were a bunch of guys that mostly kept to themselves and never really meddled in this petty thing we call the "console wars". So you can imagine my surprise when I visited several forums after Sony's big announcement and finding out that the PC guys were suddenly more animated by the news than the usual suspects, the Xbox 360 fans.

Brace yourself

Here are some excerpts of what you can expect to find in most forums that discusses the PS4 graphics, or specs:

From N4G.com, in reference to the new Killzone: Shadow Fall reveal.

"People who say this looks better than crysis3 on ultra are smoking crack. or their only experience with it is from a youtube video (meaning they havent actually seen anything cause yt specializes in taking detail and trashing it)

i love that no one realizes that most of that video is either static or scripted.

crysis 3 is fucking jam packed full of dynamic simulations even the water reflects indirect lighting on the environment when you step in it. "

Please keep in mind that this guy is criticizing people for something he's doing himself as he's only ever seen Killzone: Shadow Fall in YouTube Videos.

From bradfordtaylor.com

"So spec wise it doesnt say much.

if the specs are accurate. This means that 2 years after ps4 comes out, pc gamers will be able to afford superior hardware in a period of 2 years.

So just like now, 2 years later the ps3 will be absolute.

So in the end while no one can give a definitive answer since there as so many “ifs” evolved, one thing is sure, pcs will be more powerfull on release and will leave the ps4 behind pretty fast."

From N4G.com
"and the cpu is the real concern of the ps4, followed by the weakish gpu

the ram is great, no doubt, but you can put 32gb ram in a box with a crappy cpu and gpu and it will be crappy build"

And....
"those pics are totally upsampled, i watched the trailer in 1080p fullscreen and it looks like pure BARF, those fake pics look great though, thats what it would look like maxed on pc

console gamers fall for this shit every time

your ps4, xbox whatever will NEVER, EVER be close to pc, while your games are just catching up to our 6 year old 1080p, we are already gaming in 1200p, 1400p, 1600p, 5760x1400, and so on (2560x1600 for me personally)

and while you are finally getting a tiny bit of aa, we are using 16x, txaa, 8x msaa and so on

killzone shadowfall looks like a last gen game to me "

These are just small samples of the bigger picture here. It seems that Sony has made a new enemy by simply stating what will be inside the PS4, and by their fans being simply being happy with the good news. But the reason for all the slandering from the PC crowd still eludes me though. It's hard to imagine it being something as petty as jealousy, so I'm not ready to jump to that conclusion yet.

So to the PC crowd I ask, what is your gripe with Sony and the PlayStation 4? It seems that the developers who will be making the games are as impressed with the specs as the fans are, so why are you guys so unimpressed and so angry?

71 Comments
  1. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: undefeated
    it's simple, because they are absolute retards. [Reply]
    • Date: February 25, 2013
      Author: dakan45
      You have no knoweldge whatsoever how games are made and how hardware works, you praise the "8gb of gddr5 " without knowing wtf that means and how it will be used. Then pc gamers that actually DO KNOW are the "retards" Ok sure thing, let me tell you this when you kept saying "stop saying x360 is more powerfull the ps3 has more cores, it IS more powerfull than the x360" and then you got pwned by x360 widely recognized as more powerfull/optimized, you stoped talking about hype crap that sony tells you. If the ps3 argument i posted above has not taught you anything you clearly have very short memory. [Reply]
      • Date: February 25, 2013
        Author: Web Des
        First of all pc only gamers tendo to be assholes.. I don't care what specs mean all I know is that if gt5 can look like real life on ps3 then ps4 shall be great. I play on pc actually. Go to pc gamer dot come and see how many people say console are annoying and need to die. PC gamers tend to be the most disrespectful and want everyone to play on pc. I rather play the last of us in 720p, 30fps than some f2p on 1080p 200fps. Rome 2 looks nice though. [Reply]
      • Date: February 25, 2013
        Author: hahahah
        i actually DO know how games are made, and i still think they're being idiots. console gaming is a different thing than pc gaming and the fact that they can't get over some weird superiority complex just makes the pc gaming community feel atrocious. i wouldn't hesitate to say they might be worse than cod kids. [Reply]
      • Date: February 25, 2013
        Author: Axe99
        Hey Dakan, no-one's questioning your PC cred, but the 360 was clearly a step below the PS3 when it comes to performance - I've got (and like, even if MS' need to do something desparately about the XBL store prices) both, and the 360's best can't match the top games on the PS3 when it comes to visuals. Neither were as powerful as a high-end PC, just like a $2000 PC will (and should) outperform a PS3 at launch. The thing that gets frustating with PC gamers is that they'll often have no understanding of the impact of optimsation and dedicated hardware on performance. I've got a current mid-range PC - a 3GB GTX 550, 16GB DDR3 RAM and an AMD 8-core processor - and it's only about as much better than the PS3 than the PS3 is than the 360. For all that power I have under the hood relative to what's in the PS3, you get a much smaller return. It was the same with the PS2, Gamecube and Xbox, and the same the generation before. [Reply]
  2. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: Mike Jones
    um...because this is what pc gamers always do...about every bit on console news ever [Reply]
    • Date: February 26, 2013
      Author: death_painkiller
      You talk as if console gamers don't diss PC gaming news? Talk about Witcher 2, we got it first and you kept dissing the franchise until CDRed launched the multiplat Enhanced Edition then suddenly it became the best thing ever released. Same goes for Crysis 1 and Minecraft (360). These games were raged over for not arriving to the consoles but when they came they toppled the sale charts. [Reply]
      • Date: February 26, 2013
        Author: Mike Jones
        yeah SOME console players do,but not a majority by any stretch of the imagination....meanwhile a VAST majority of pc gamers spend their days looking down their nose at console gamers raging at any piece of positive console banter on the internet [Reply]
  3. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: Optomist
    As a PC gamer I can wank myself off while using the mouse. I can't do that with a controller that requires both hands. Therefore, Consoles suck. PS. PC graphics are superiroar. [Reply]
  4. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: slapshot82
    PC gamers love system specifications just as much as they love their games - it's pretty much as simple as that. When Sony announced that the PS4's architecture is basically a mid to high-end gaming PC. The 8-core 64-bit x86 CPU by AMD and Radeon GPU is standard fare for gaming PCs, as well as the 8GB of unified GDDR5 RAM. I don't think the PC crowd was mad about the PS4's architecture, they were most likely frustrated by the simple fact that those not in the know were making claims on social websites/forums that the PS4 was "more powerful than current gaming PCs." Here's the quick answer - it isn't. The comments above make it clear that they have gaming rigs that are 'similar' in power right now. But there's also a hitch here, how the CPU/GPU (and what types) are placed on the board make a difference in performance too, and this is where the PC crowd likes to spend the big bucks to find an optimal balance in performance that they desire. Then again, the fact that Sony will be subsidising the cost of a 1500+ USD gaming PC for a $400-$500 USD home console does probably have a few of them ticked off a good deal though (now that I think on it). High end PC gamers will always have the ultimate gaming experience, unless developers stop developing for them. Even if developers utilise ray tracing with the PS4 (and possibly the Xbox 720) - you can only see so much in 1080p. The x86 architecture is well-balanced and developers are so knowledgeable of it that the shift to PS4 development will be relatively easy - a great thing for a dedicated home console and a far cry from the mistake that Sony made with the cell processor. [Reply]
    • Date: February 25, 2013
      Author: duplissi
      The ps4 is in no way comparable to a 1500 dollar gaming pc. just saying. My rig consists of a phenom II x6 @3.2 ghz, 8gb of 1866 ddr3, 120gb ssd, and a 3gb hd 7950. Total cost of my rig? ~900 dollars and it is most definitely above the ps4 in nearly every way except that the cpu has access to better ram. (this is true about all gaming pc's as the best you can get is 2100 ddr3) However I am not bashing the ps4 because i understand that there is litttle overhead in a console compared to a pc and that console devs are able to code closer to the chips than pc devs i.e. no directx getting in the way. because of this pcs NEED to be absurdly powerful, just try running crysis 3 on comparable hardware as the xbox 360 or ps3 (with comparable settings) its not gonna end well. [Reply]
      • Date: February 25, 2013
        Yes your right on that but the only thing is your running DDR3 1866 which is much slower then DDR5 so in all together terms the ram will blows your to bits and the gpu being on the same di as the cpu will allow faster computing making it faster so it should be in the range of a mid-high end gaming PC only advantage that would you have is the SSD which would give much faster load times and another thing to note is we don't know what the clock speed on the processor is yet [Reply]
      • Date: February 25, 2013
        Author: dakan45
        Crysis 3 on lowest settings is still not as bad as crysis 3 on consoles, same case with max payne 3 and just cause 2. That is why it is not gonna run on console comparable hardware. [Reply]
  5. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: MartinB105
    They are a small but vocal minority of PC gamers who are just looking for something to complain about. It really doesn't matter what Sony would announce or show, they're going to complain anyway that something - anything - is somehow inferior to their PC. If the PS4 specs were to exceed the most powerful gaming PC in the world, they would still complain that you couldn't play with keyboard and mouse (not to mention it would be so expensive that no-one would buy it anyway). Meanwhile, console gamers will just carry on enjoying the brilliant console exclusives like Uncharted, The Last Of Us, Journey, Beyond: Two Souls, etc. that have perfectly acceptable graphics for the majority of people that these complaining PC gamers will miss out on. [Reply]
  6. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: robbetht
    PC gamers are plainly not educated enough. They mostly don't grasp the meaning of what a fixed box (console) might accomplish performance wise with old hardware and unknow software os which is just build for one purpose. the ps3 had a very old weak GPU and did not support direct10 or directx11. But yet.... :Try asking any pc-gamer to come up with a game up to the level of god-of war.3 on whatever gamer-pc they've build.... Yes ps3 has many ports due it was very difficult to develop for. so ps3 failed to show its potention in most games. every pc has a pci (2.0 3.0 or 4.0...) and also a memory bus..etc etc Ps4 has none... the GPU and CPU work together as an APU....and share the 8 GB gddr5 Ram without some bus limitation. 1)YOU can NOT buy this in ANY PC store!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2)Just because you can put a pc together an grasp the meaning of the hardware contents, does not mean you are an engineer [Reply]
    • Date: February 25, 2013
      Author: slapshot82
      You do realise that you can put an APU in a gaming PC, just like the PS4 - right? They run around $99 and are great in gaming PCs. ;) [Reply]
    • Date: February 25, 2013
      Author: Guy
      First, PCI express 4.0 is not out yet, it's only been talked about. Second you can get an APU from any decent PC store. Thirdly you need to be at least a little educated to put a PC together; one might not be an engineer but you need to know at least what you are doing. Building a PC definitely requires more knowledge than simply buying a console and hooking it up to your TV and power outlet. I find your argument about PC gamers being "plainly not educated enough" weak. Give me some concrete examples of what you mean. I can think of many games that surpass God of War 3 visually and in story; for example The Witcher 3. [Reply]
      • Date: February 25, 2013
        Author: JinxRake
        No offense mate...but any yutz can put a PC together. Just google the process and it's done. All you need to actually be able to build a PC is to know how to read. And, as a matter of fact, Witcher 3 is not out yet. Judging how it will or will not be from a few pictures on the net will only net you the title of idiot. On the question at hand...gamers are idiots and will never try to prove otherwise. They fight over the most ridiculous things, try to stand on the most questionable moral high ground and will very often judge games on the most basic things - i.e. the graphics -. Most gamers that do these sort of things are analog of the movie goers for whom Transformers 3 is the best film ever made because it was shiny. And we're stuck with both groups of idiots. [Reply]
    • Date: February 25, 2013
      Author: dakan45
      First of all it is diffirent Api so no dx10 and dx11 arguments, second of all a 8 core quad cpu with far more processing power than a console along with a 2gb videocard that has far far more teraflops than a ps4 along with 8gb of ram (which is useless since games are x32 and not x64...are far more powerfull than ps4. The sli makes it even more powerfull. You can argue that ps4 is more powerfull or that it will be more optimzed. But ps3 was suposselly more powerfull than the x360 spec wise yet the x360 was in the end the most powerfull console. Also now that ps4 will have x86 architecture, it is far more comparable to a pc than before making pc superiority arguments more valid. [Reply]
      • Date: March 2, 2013
        i agree with most of what you said but i have to tell you there is no way in hell xbox360 is a more powerful system no way i own both and i have the best looking games for 360 and ps3 and the best game graphics on 360 is gears of war and forsa and i will tell you right now that those games have nothing on ps3 when it comes down to graphics nothing you would now this if you had both systems [Reply]
  7. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: john
    Who even cares what PC users think? I don't - they talk absolute shite and opinons are personal not fact as they would have you believe! And Crysis is a shit game imo, who cares about how good it looks, the story is fucking shit and the game itself is corny as hell! [Reply]
  8. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: de
    you realize that the only pc gamers that post these comments make up about 5% of the pc gaming community. to say all pc gamers act like this is total BS. Im a PC gamer and i cant recall going on any websites just to bitch and moan about consoles. That's cause most of us are enjoying our games and not wasting time bitching about useless comparisons. does my PC blow away the new PS4? yes, and I built it several years ago, but im not gonna go around gloating, cause I don't care. I own consoles too, like im sure many pc gamers do as well. when an exclusive comes out i play it on a console, when its multiconsole and available on PC, i will get it for PC. [Reply]
  9. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: The Truth
    Because the PS4 will be the usual Sony overhype and underdeliver crapola that will impact the industry in more negative ways than positive. [Reply]
  10. Date: February 25, 2013
    [...] comment on the competition from either side, weighing up all the pros and cons. In an article on Gamer-Rider they talk about the “PC Guys” who are computer enthusiasts that know the ins and outs [...] [Reply]
  11. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: Symmetrical
    The reason you are seeing the reaction from a lot of these people are because most of them have invested hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on their "rigs" and feel that it will be superior to all forms of computers and entertainment. They fail to understand the grasp of how consoles are different than what PCs are designed for. PCs were designed for a multitude of uses which ranges from professional developers, video editors, artists, programming, and of course the PC gamer etc.. I myself have an i7-2600K overclocked to 4.4Ghz and a GTX 680. It's a great PC and is the fasted one I have ever owned. But I am still able to understand that consoles are designed for pure gaming experiences only. The specs on a console can be lower, but because developers code to the metal and optimize the living day lights on them, the results usually exceed what the hardware was originally intended. The same will ring true for the PS4. It's been that way for years even since the PS1 and PS2 and PS3 (and other consoles.) You look at the launch titles and compare them to the outgoing titles, they are vastly improved upon. I remember Naughty Dog said they taxed the Cell Processor at 100% for Uncharted 2 and eeked every last ounce of performance they can. At the time most of us believed it and were shocked they accomplished that. But then they came out with Uncharted 3 which wasn't quite a leap from Uncharted 1 to 2, but it was still more optimized and was improved upon again. When you restrict a developer, they get creative and find new forms of optimizing. They literally have to make it as efficient as humanly possible to make it perform and look as good as possible. The same CAN NOT be said about the PC. There is a reason for that. PC developers don't know what their limits are. You have a developer like Crytek who designed Crysis for "Future hardware in mind" and at the time most people couldn't run it and assumed it was just too demanding. Fast forward years later, it turns out it's not even as optimized as it could be. I know this because I barely get 20% CPU usage and 50-60% GPU usage. That thing is not optimized to tax my hardware 100%. And PC developers will probably never ever get to that point. But with consoles, they know what their limits are and what they need to do to get to their target performance. In the case of the PS4, that limit is now basically as big as their imaginations. With 8GBs of GDDR5, they are only going to be capped by how much they can optimize the APU to its fullest potential. Again we are going to see this thing punch above its weight. And that is why I think PC gamers or at least the Console Haters, simply do not and will not want to understand. [Reply]
    • Date: February 25, 2013
      Author: dakan45
      Stopped reading in hunredenrds of thousands of dolllars, you have no idea wtf you talking about. [Reply]
      • Date: February 25, 2013
        Author: hahahah
        it says hundreds IF NOT thousands. so... you stopped reading because you don't know how. [Reply]
  12. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: Symmetrical
    Ah and I forgot to add, what they also do not realize is that with the launch of the PS4 (and nextBox) is that it's going to benefit PC gamers too. For the past 7 years of PC gaming, only a hand full of titles barely even use 4 threads let alone 8 threads on the CPU. Now that the industry is shifting to the 8 Core PS4 and 8 Core Xbox, we will see them directly ported to the more powerful PCs and again benefit from the utilization. It's a win/win/win for PS4/Xbox/PC gamers. It's mind boggling they cannot grasp that simple concept. I want to ask those hardcore PC gamers if they are happy that games only use 2 of the 4 threads on their i5s or 4 of the 8 threads on their i7s. Ask any Planetside 2 gamer or Starcraft II gamer who WISH that those games used more than 1 or 2 threads. I know I do. [Reply]
  13. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: Carlos
    Great article! I enjoyed it because I was feeling the same way after reading through comments! I actually recently made a video discussing this and the way PC gamers think its impossible for console games to look good. I elaborate more in the comments because I didnt get my point across well. Check out the video if you ever have time, Just google "PS4 & PC - Specs & Power Discussion" [Reply]
  14. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: dakan45
    “So spec wise it doesnt say much. if the specs are accurate. This means that 2 years after ps4 comes out, pc gamers will be able to afford superior hardware in a period of 2 years. So just like now, 2 years later the ps3 will be absolute. So in the end while no one can give a definitive answer since there as so many “ifs” evolved, one thing is sure, pcs will be more powerfull on release and will leave the ps4 behind pretty fast.” I said that. Let me explain a current high end pc is just as powerfull if not more than a ps4. Top of the line is clearly more powerfull. When will ps4 launch? id wager a year or close to that. IN 2 years after the release of ps4, say 2015. The hardware that are not superior to ps4 will be mainstream and you will be the equivilant of a medium spec rigs. So in 2 years the ps4 will be asbolute just like the ps3. Ofcourse you can argue "but it is console and blah blah blah, pcs are expensive blah blah blah" But you miss 3 important things. 1. ps3 was suposelly more powerfull than the x360 and got analysts talking nonsense that most gamers do not own a pc as powerfull as a ps3 which is garbage hype talk. In the end x360 was the most powerfull console despite ps3 having "8 cores" So yeah spec wise it can turn out to be worse not better. 2.You dont need thousands of dollars for a pc. For less than 1000 you can get a pretty good rig. The ps4 will propably cost 700-900. Bear in mind the costs are too high and that is why this generation has been the LONGEST so far. They cant sell this cheap, they will sell it high and after all those years pc gamers expected something more powerfull. 3. No pc gamer is "jealous" we know that our rigs are more powerfull we have made mods and thus know how games are made and how drivers and enb shader suites work. We are suprised that ps4 is not that impressive and we are very vocal about it becasue you keep gettig hyped for sony or microsoft trash hype talking when you dont even know how those things are suposse to work. How many console gamers actually KNOW what 8gb GDDR5 is and not simply hype and talk about it because they heard it and seemed impressive. How many know what x86 architecture means? Quite few of them and all that along the millions and millions that believe that to build a good pc you need 300-7000$ the same bs told by lucas arts on why they did not brign the force unleashed on pc. Then the idiot CEO left and were brought to pc and guess what the next star wars game that they are making is? A star wars game with graphics close to CGI thanks to pc hardware. So in the end stop looking at trash talking and believe us when we tell you pc is superior. As for killzone? It doesnt look like a fps that cannot be done on pc right now and possibly years ago, if crysis is any indication on what was POSSIBLE on 2007. But then again i should remind you of the infamous trailers for killzone 2 and how they were pre rendered and the actual game was not as impressive, or you happen not to notice that either? [Reply]
    • Date: February 25, 2013
      Author: end user
      1) "In the end x360 was the most powerfull console" So now a couple people have said that with no reference. Can someone point me to the 360's answer to GoW3, KZ3, UC3, etc? (or maybe point me to where the Pentagon bought a few hundred 360s for their processing clusters) 2) "The ps4 will propably cost 700-900." Why anything you say should be taken seriously after that comment, I don't know, not to mention this: "When will ps4 launch? id wager a year or close to that." "You'd wager?" What a risky gambler you are, considering it's already been officially announced as coming out Nov/Dec 2013. "believe us when we tell you pc is superior." Wait wait... you mean the latest PC hardware is more powerful than the new consoles? Thank goodness you told us. If you hadn't, we might have had to refer to the entire history of all consoles ever to know that PCs will always be more powerful than consoles by their very nature. Captain Obvious to the rescue again. Have your insecurities been soothed now that I "believe" you? I PC gamed for fifteen years before migrating to the PS3. To say that PC hardware is more powerful than console hardware should be to expect a response of "um... duh." However, whether PC's are "better" for gaming than consoles is entirely subjective. [Reply]
      • Date: February 25, 2013
        Author: dakan45
        I dont know hot to break this to you but GOW3 is NOT a graphically impressive game, it justs runs on 1080p. Guess what? thas how pc games are Uncharted 3 doesnt look any better than a tomb raider game on pc. Yup that is how bad it is. Infact mw2 on pc looks miles superior than uc2. Infact max panyne 3 on consoles run on lowest settnigs. As for kz3? it is not that impressive either. I would say gears of war 3 is a bit inferior than uc3 and just as good as gow3. The point is that on multiplatforms x360 has awlays being first. It has been proven multiple times taht it loks better. 2) Because unlike you i am not a moron, that kind of rig will cost alot. The tech was not designed by sony but from amd. Ps3 was a whole lot more expensive than the x360 and finally this generations has been 7 years it is by far the LONGEST. Why? To cut down the costs of a new system. So this console will be expensive and for the time we waited it is not particulary impressive. I said it will come out in a year or close to that, which means novermber decemberm what are you stupid? Pc gamers that migrated to pc are not pc gamers, they are idiots who cant take pc gaming becasue its too hard for them and gone to consoles because they are "better" for gaming. I completly missed where exactly consoles are "better" for gaming? Is it because you have no power over them? Is it because you are enslaved into their locked out resolutions and framerate? Is it because you cant use mods to improve graphics or make levels and weapons for them yourself? Is it because controllers have 2 speeds on thumbstics while a pc mouse has bazillions and consoles use nooby autoaim while pc has freeaim with mouse? Is it when you get screwed by sony and ms for psn going doing and paying for xbox live? You pay to play peer to peer. Or is it when you have to deal with online passes and essentially end up in the same shit that drove you away from pc? [Reply]
      • Date: March 8, 2013
        @DAKAN45 dude, you're looking like a total FANGIRL right now. 1) your point about the 360 being more POWERFUL is referring to multiplat games? Come on man, everybody here knows that the 360 multiplat games looked better because it was easier to port over. The PS3 architecture just didn't allow them to optimize, because of time and cost probably. Nobody is gonna take you serious when you make outrageous statements and your replies nonsensical. 700-900 for a PS4? and your reasoning is because the last console generation was 7 years? They use software sales to help cover cost of the consoles, I don't think Sony even today makes much if any on PS3 hardware sales. You need to breathe, think and read what you post before hitting that "post comment" button. @END USER is trying to have an adult conversation with you and you're just looking like... [Reply]
  15. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: Dirk
    For a brief period of time the new consoles from Microsoft and Sony will be able to compete with high end gaming rigs. In some respects its a rationalization that spending more money on the high-end PC was necessary, because it is a better value than the $400-$600 (US$) new console. There is probably some loyalty in the chosen platform for gaming as well. [Reply]
  16. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: GHz
    I haven't been going out and trashing the PS4, but I am a guy who uses PC for 95% of my gaming and I do dislike the PS4. Why? It's already outdated, more so than the PS3. It has a low-level CPU and the 8 gb of GDDR5 RAM is actually more detrimental than say 4 gb of GDDR5 and 4 gb of DDR3. CPUs work better with DDR3 because of the low latency DDR3 has, but with only GDDR5 the already weak CPU is being further crippled by the RAM. Sony didn't put in hardware that complimented each other, which is one of the worst things to do when building a PC. For a couple of years now I've always been excited to see AI improve in games, but now multiplatform, "Next-gen" games will only see a minor improvement in that area because they'll be bottlenecked by the PS4 CPU. [Reply]
  17. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: chuck norris
    Im both a pc and console gamer but am tired of SOME pc elitists saying they can build a pc for $10 that is more powerful than the ps4.There are also those who CLAIM to have good specs when they probably only have something low to mid range. [Reply]
  18. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: Senpai_17011
    why so much hatred you ask? One word: Intimidation!!! the last decade has not been good to the PC, bad ports, developers more interested in consoles, and then BAM! a console that's allot closer to a PC than it's former cousins ps3, 360 etc. so why all the hate, if there was ever a time for a developer to stick to a console then the ps4 will be it! thus clear hate from the pc side and now the console is at the heart of what a pc used to define! oh boy am i going to be flamed......i'll do a quick levelling up......let's see, flame resistance +3 [79], Magic resistance +1[88], profanity potions [99], lvl 98 "Troll Masher of the North" and invisable cloak...... Bring it on B'itches [Reply]
    • Date: February 25, 2013
      Author: dakan45
      AHAHAHAH you dont know waht you talkign about. There is NO hate just dissapoitment and disgust on how you spend money for sony to give you subpar hardware. ps3 is most definetly nowhee near close to pc. So you talk about "bad ports" when the last few yers those things have constantly improving along with service. You talk about bad ports when the ps4 is using x86 architecture therefore making pc ports easier and pcs coming on top as more optimized. "if there was ever a time for a developer to stick to a console then the ps4 will be it" First of all, ps4 and x360 games require fees to make games and be arpoved my sony and ms. Second of all the exclusives are PAID by ms an sony but they get the royality fees anyway because they are greedy cunts. Finally back on the ps3 begining ATARI was not going to bother with the ps3 becasue the costs were too high for blu ray. The developers are afraid of the huge development costs and extremely high sales requrements that the new consoles will bring.So many of them that will be unable to cope, will leave consoles and go back to pc. So you gonna end up with a expensive unimpessive console that will lose money due to being expensive, weak and extremely costy to develop games on. "thus clear hate from the pc side and now the console is at the heart of what a pc used to define!" I think jimqusition has covered up this topic pretty well. Consoles are heading towards a way that will have all the crap that pcs has, always online drm, games lkined to acounts, no used sales but NONE of the good things pcs have. Price related to the perfomance you want, mods, superior graphics, superior controls. So yeah, in ps2 era you bought consoles because they were a cheap alternative for pc. Now consoles are actually becoming more expensive than pc. [Reply]
      • Date: February 27, 2013
        Author: chuck norris
        Consoles more expensive than pc?lol wtf.A really high end graphics card like the titan is already a grand alone.gtfo [Reply]
      • Date: March 8, 2013
        @DAKAN45 "ps4 is using x86 architecture therefore making pc ports easier and pcs coming on top as more optimized" From what I've read, PC's games have never been close to being "optimized" on a PC rig. I mean how could they? They're developing for a wide arrange of PC set ups. Consoles on the other hand can be "optimized" much much more, and you know it. [Reply]
  19. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: esideras
    I'd consider myself primarily a PC gamer and would say that the current console generation has dragged gaming down overall. But hearing that the PS4 will have a pc architecture makes me really happy and hopefully we won't be getting a bunch of shitty ports anymore, but good ones as it should be easier for developers to make the transition. Another thing that I really like as a pc gamer is that you never feel alone, always connected to teamspeak and facebook etc. And Sony seem to have grasped that. So thumbs up Sony. [Reply]
  20. Date: February 25, 2013
    Im a hardcore pc gamer , i also have a ps3 and will buy a ps4 (i love uncharted and killzone + other exclusives ) . im very impressed by the system and i don't care that it's not as powerful as my 2000$ machine - uncharted 3 was my fav game and looked totally mindblowing - so imagine what the devs will accomplish on that pretty powerful system. cheers. [Reply]
  21. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: Ollie
    The fact is that some of these PC gamers haven't just spent a lot of money on their PC's but a lot of time as well. I'd bet a lot of the angry PC gamers have spent years getting to understand and know computer architecture, some may even have related degrees. That's not a bad thing at all, in fact they are going to be proud of their knowledge and rightly so. We should all be proud of anything we are good at or know a lot about. So that's it - their pride has been hurt because a bunch of upstart console gamers heard a phrase like RAM, heard that 8GB was a good amount and GDDR5 was a good type and started shouting about how good that will make their new toy. That's the same as the weird kid at school hearing an in- joke between some friends so the word kid repeats the punch line and assume that makes them part of the group. What the PC gamers have misunderstood is that console gamers don't want to be like PC gamers. Don't worry guys, seriously console gamers don't want to be like you any more than you want to be like them. It's also worth noting that the console flag-bearers who got most excited about the RAM really did understand what it meant. Let the other console gamers who don't understand what out means get excited about it without berating them. That's like walking up to someone who's excited about upgrading from a car to an aircraft just because you're NASA and you've got a space shuttle. They still have a right to be excited. In fact to balance out that analogy the thing about consoles is their aircraft will be better than yours was before you got your space shuttle. Not that most of them know that. Not that most of you know that. Meh. Anyhoo, can anyone guesses if I'm a console or PC gamer? [Reply]
    • Date: February 25, 2013
      Author: dakan45
      I can you are a moron. You dont need more than 1200 for a super rig. [Reply]
      • Date: February 25, 2013
        Author: Ollie
        I love you [Reply]
    • Date: February 26, 2013
      Author: dakan45
      You are a moron and a troll. [Reply]
      • Date: February 26, 2013
        Author: Ollie
        No, seriously. I love you. We should have troll babies :) [Reply]
  22. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: medman
    I'm a social gamer. That is to say, my friends and I get together and battle it out face to face on a huge screen television. That includes sports games, fighters, shooters, etc. etc. Yet when I want to sit down and enjoy some single player content, it's right there waiting, no muss, no fuss. Console gaming is perfect for that. It's a mystery to me why PC gamers get a log stuck up their rears when new hardware specs for consoles are released. Of course you can build a more powerful pc when it doesn't have to be mass produced. Of course the PS4 won't be as powerful as PC's 2 or 3 years down the road. The point is, it doesn't have to be. First party games on the PS3 look fantastic. I have yet to see one single PC game that made me stop in my tracks and make me wish I had that fidelity on my television. Don't get me wrong, I was impressed with Battlefield, The Witcher, and the latest Crysis look great. But come on, fancy graphics do not a great game make. To suggest that because the PS4's graphics won't compete graphically in the near future doesn't mean the games released for the consoles won't be phenomenal. Consoles are like fast food, meant to be cheap and easy to produce and distribute. It's easy access, easy entry, simple, and you don't have to grind away constantly updating your rig to meet the hardware demands the next biggest, best game out there requires. The point is, in the gaming universe there is a role for consoles, and a role for PC's. To obviate the console's role in gaming is risible, or at least it would be if it weren't so pathetic. [Reply]
  23. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: floetry1o1
    This article is fucking obscene. From the cherry-picked comments taken from the worst gaming community website on the internet to pigeonholing an entire group of gamers. I play the majority of my games on the PC and I'm still thoroughly excited about the prospect of a new generation of consoles. I sincerely hope this is the only traffic this guy (seemingly the Bill O'Reilly of the gaming world) ever sees. [Reply]
    • Date: February 25, 2013
      Author: siesel
      Hi and thanks for your thoughts Floetry1o1. I'm very happy to hear that a fellow gamer is excited about the impending new generations of consoles. The article is by no means trying to do anything else other than to reflect what I've noticed from the gaming community since the announcement of the PS4. Granted this is an opinion piece written from "my" perspective, but I've listed links after links of evidence to show where I'm coming from. And here are a few links below that you're welcome to to through and read the comments and see for yourself. From PCWorld.com http://www.pcworld.com/article/2029138/playstation-4-vs-pc-graphics-can-sony-even-compete-.html From GameSpot.com http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29356540/not-impressed-with-the-ps4-so-far.?page=3 and I could list many other forums that I've visited over the past few days that echoes the exact same message. The article is clearly aimed towards that crowd, the fact that you aren't part of that group is somewhat irrelevant to the question being asked by the article. Look at the comment section here even. [Reply]
  24. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: GamerTwins
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdCbuF8_1p8 a tipical pc elitist [Reply]
  25. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: PComplexed
    Didn't know there could be such a dump people in this world. When will the PC guys understand numbers and raw power isn't everything? Do you realize you pay thousands for graphic cards, and all you get is higher resolution? You have triple sli 6 GB graphic cards, 3 terabytes of space and i7 3770k@ 4500MHz or more, and all you get is games from consoles, in higher resolution, with crispier textures, and that all you get. Where are the games using 200 GB of space, with 8000*8000 uncompressed textures, with all the rendering techniques that a directx11 can allow, with 7.1 pcm sound, with global lights like in killzone3, with shrek-toy story-rebel graphics. Where are these games? Tell me where, and tomorrow I'll spend 4k on a PC. For the God's sake, where are they? Just check this picture, please count how many guys are moving, and for your information, its being rendered on about 400megas of memory. Ugly, isn't it? http://www.niavlys.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Uncharted-3.jpg 400 megas, guys.400. What do studios give you and your 3k gaming rigs, with those quad sli cards and 6000 or more gigas of video memory, along with 16-32 GB of system memory? What do you benefit from that? Since your systems specs are 10 times bigger than a ps3 system, please , PC guys, show me a game with 10 times better textures than uncharted 3 and God of war 3. Post links here please. 10 times, not 1 or 2. TEN times. 10 times more content, 10 times better textures, 10 times better sound, 10 times bigger levels, 10 times more effects, 10 times better rendered water,fire,dust,sand,wind,snow, than on uncharted games. Also, I want 10 times the current frame rate, and of course, I want it at 2560x1600. And of course, I want 10 times more games than the current ps3 catalog. Of course, with your thousands of processing units and your 8-24 core processors(with hyperthreading), please show me 5 or 10 games with never seen before effects, like the ones we will only get with the PlayStation 7, in 2030. Also, post a pic of all your original games with boxes. I also want to see the comfy couch where you play your games, with the 7.1 speakers surrounding you. OK guys, 3-2-1- GO. let's show me and the world what games you get, with your quad sli graphics and your ivy bridge processors with 16-32 GB of ram. The whole world, specially all the console gamers are waiting for all those links and pics. But if you have nothing to show us excepting slightly less compressed textures and a higher resolution, please, Stfu and never talk again. Keep your 3k rigs and go to hell with it. Stop invading console forums, criticizing people and consoles, and saying the PCs are the best, bla bla bla. Stay on your PC forums, masturbating over some quad sli's rigs and saying to yourself how lucky you are, to be able to play a game at 60fps or 2560*1600, and stop posting shit on console related forums. Keep your rigs, and f*ck off. You need to praise your systems to justify the 600$ you just paid for the latest nvidia/amd card, just to be able to play the latest released game.you need to open you mouths and bash people and their consoles because its hard to accept a 7 yo console like the ps3 can give us wonderful games like god of war ascension and the last of us, or beyond two souls.but its what happens when talented people work hard on an optimized system: they make wonderful games. OK, are you preparing all those pics, links, etc for what I've asked, above? It shouldn't be hard, with all the content available. OK guys, you just made me lose 30 minutes of my time, where I could have been doing much more interesting things than talking to you,like, farting, or ironing my socks. Now, just go back to your cod/battlefield/witcher/diablo3/StarCraft games. And only stop playing by November.there is an ugly game, that will look 2 or 3 times better than now,once more ram and a more optimized engine become available.the game will be running on an underpowered system, with slow APu and GPUs and slow memory.its called killzone, and the system is an old ps4 system, with specs like a 1998 average computer.it will be so ugly, that Sony will provide some special goggles to make it look a little better. That system should only cost like 99$, but Sony couldn't have a good price on the USB controller, and has to sell the system for about 600$, to not lose any money, due to those f*king USB 3 ports. Life is tough, really. [Reply]
  26. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: Swedish chef
    I love when people say, "Play on PC it's better", I'll do that when my actual friends all buy PC's and use them as their primary game system. Seeing as that will never happen, I'm never going to play on PC. [Reply]
  27. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: serialmania
    Wow NERDS is so scary. They may be able to beat my in pc wise but in real life they are just a FUCKED FACE LOSERS!... [Reply]
  28. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: dakan45
    @Web Des You dont care about specs and you make stupid arguments on how ps3 can give photoreallistic games? Also you talk about being asshole when you troll about pc lacking games. YOU SERIOUS? Do you even know how these things work? Anyone can make something on pc, anyone. On consoles they got to pay fees and "the last of us" if funded by sony. Typical console idiot. [Reply]
  29. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: dakan45
    @hahahah Really? So you do know how hardware works yet you dont make any arguments about it. FAIL, go troll elsewhere kiddo. pc gamers know what they talking about and got arguments you dont have SHIT. [Reply]
  30. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: dakan45
    @Axe99 Actually you are a complete idiot and this is why you console morons think that us pc gamers are idiots or trolls. First of all its is a FACT that x360 is more powerfull and has better perfomance than the ps3. So you dont know what you are talking about. Second of all a gtx560 has far more teraflops than a ps4. The ps3 equivilant is a 7800GTX and when the hell is 16gb of ram and 8 core prossesor as powerfull as the ps3? It is MORE powerfull than the ps4. But as usual YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT. How many games use 8core cpus? Infact crysis in 2007 and most games till 2010 did not even use quad cores. WTF do you need 16gb of ram? Games are x32 not x64 so they only use 3.25gb of ram. You wont need more than 6 gb of ram ever. Typical idiot who things he knows stuff but doesnt know SHIT.. Oh and on your ps3/gamecube comment, it most definently was NOT the same. In 2004 i had on my pc doom 3 and far cry, no console game has as good graphics. PWNED [Reply]
    • Date: February 27, 2013
      Author: chuck norris
      Lol,its funny to see virgin losers like you defend the pc soo bad....why? [Reply]
  31. Date: February 25, 2013
    Author: DAKAN45
    PC and male butts are my passion [Reply]
    • Date: February 26, 2013
      Author: dakan45
      Doest work when the site automaticly gives diffirent avatars you dipshit. Therefore you come up as a cheap imposter. [Reply]
      • Date: February 26, 2013
        Author: DAKAN45
        Too bad I'm teh real DAKAN45, the real DAKAN45 spells terribley, not just someon can act this retarded, you have to be the rael DAKAN45, and spell like an ediot. Then you have to call everyon a fanboy and then call them stopid, evon when they yuse proppper grammer, even though I am the actuel stuepid one. So I'm the real DAKAN45, and your just a dumbess Gaemboy Andvanced Fanboy. You fale. [Reply]
      • Date: February 27, 2013
        Author: chuck norris
        Was the username dakan1-44 taken? [Reply]
  32. Date: February 26, 2013
    Author: Mallacred
    Everyone chill: Clearly, the PC can be a powerful machine when built correctly to play games on higher settings. But more commonly people neither have the patience or interest in building this, which is why they buy a console. Both appeal to diffrent audiences, but as a Gamer I enjoy both. I will be there day 1 to pick up PS4 and still use my PC as well. [Reply]
  33. Date: February 26, 2013
    Author: mikey terminator
    I've owned an xbox, playstation, nintendo, but for reliability and performance sony definitely is more commited to bringing everything to the table. The only difference with ps4 is that gamers will get a powerful machine for a good price point $399 to $499. That is one thing that PC gamers don't realize is that some people don't wan't to know how to build and rebuild their computers for better games and in turn pouring more money into it. Rather get a good console like the ps4 with gdrr5 graphics card with 8gb Ram put on one die to reduce latency with an X86 chip which will let programmers cut their development costs also because much easier to program. does this make any sense to anyone? Everyone wins! They really put alot of thought into this because at this stage of the game in volatile markets they have listened to the public and the developers. I think that they are going to kick some ass and some people are afraid of how it will affect the games that come out on pc and nextbox because they won't have as many game developers. [Reply]
  34. Date: February 26, 2013
    Author: Singularity
    Because deep down every pc user knows a console with a 50+ inch tv, high-end surround sound (and i do mean a 4000+ dollar 5.1 system) , a comfort seat (e.g. Jori design chair) and the comfort of the playstation/xbox controller can't win of a high end pc (yet). [Reply]
    • Date: February 26, 2013
      Author: Singularity
      And because of my poor english that came out wrong - i think you know what i ment [Reply]
  35. Date: February 26, 2013
    Author: Nik Seah
    But you can't get Killzone/Gran Turismo/Uncharted/Motorstorm/Heavy Rain/Halo/Zelda/Little Big Planet on PC. We buy consoles to play its games not because it looks good. [Reply]
  36. Date: February 26, 2013
    Author: Phizzz
    I really do not understand why there is even a discussion about what is faster and what. We have seen a couple of specs, a couple of videos and thats it. Lets wait for the PS4 to come out and then do the comparisments. I personally am a so called "high-end PC gamer" because I enjoy bulding my own rig, upgrading it, being able to install mods and generally prefer having the flexibility that a PC has. Sure the hardware is more expensive, but calculate what you save on games - where I live PC games are cheaper by 20~30%. Now about the PC gamer anger towards the PS4 - honestly, I am happy. Finally there will be a huge step forward in graphics quality. The only thing that I don't want from the PS4 is all this social media crap in future games. To both side of the barricade - stop bithing! It is just electronic entertainment. [Reply]
  37. Date: February 26, 2013
    Author: Exare
    I'm not impressed, but I'm also not surprised. Moving to an x86 architecture is a great move for the sake of developers since it's a much more universal platform to work with compared to a proprietary system. Now that gaming has become such a large consumer market the big console manufacturers have to do things differently to attract the largest amount of developers possible (big and small) and this is Sony's answer. The reason most PC gamers are flaming the PS4 hardware is because comparatively, it's "old" tech. Most gaming PCs today are much more powerful and provide a more detailed visual experience that takes advantage of our enthusiast hardware. The problem is that that hardware cost buku dollars, something console manufacturers have to consider when putting together a closed box system that they have to sell to millions of people for 5+ years. Put a number on everything that myself or the average PC gamer has in their box and your looking at a rig that could cost anywhere between $1000-2500. That ticket price does not have mass appeal so compromises were made. Now, the advantage the PS4 has over a PC gaming rig is that its x86 architecture is tailored to work with the proprietary OS and the software designed specifically for it. What this means is that Sony and company are much more likely to get greater hardware to software utilization from the parts in their static box thus getting better results with fewer resources. Run a comparable CPU in a Windows machine next to a PS4 and the PS4 will perform better because of it's closed ecosystem. Unlike a PC that has to run Windows and any other number of programs on a million different hardware configurations, anything that runs on a PlayStation is designed just for the PlayStation and will work exactly the same on every PlayStation. PlayStation. The x86 also means timelier and higher quality ports to/from the PC. It leads to easier cross-platform development and more exposure for the developers themselves, which is good for everybody. TL;DR x86 is more developer friendly and console manufacturers simply can't cram a $1500 gaming rig into a small form factor and expect to sell it to a market of millions profitably. Affordability + Mass Appeal = Console Gaming Disposable Income + Level of Desired Face Melting = PC Gaming I'm a PC gamer. Seeing my brothers in arms come out of the woodwork and into the spotlight in this manor makes me sad. There seems to be an ill-founded sense of superiority based on raw hardware specifications. I myself am impressed that games look as good as they do today on the 360 considering it's internals. Have they played Halo 4? The first thought that came to mind for me was, "they can do this on a 360?" Color me impressed. I'm excited to see what they do with more up-to-date tech. It'll be fun to see. [Reply]
  38. Date: February 26, 2013
    Author: exare
    I’m not impressed, but I’m also not surprised. Moving to an x86 architecture is a great move for the sake of developers since it’s a much more universal platform to work with compared to a proprietary system. Now that gaming has become such a large consumer market the big console manufacturers have to do things differently to attract the largest amount of developers possible (big and small) and this is Sony’s answer. The reason most PC gamers are flaming the PS4 hardware is because comparatively, it’s “old” tech. Most gaming PCs today are much more powerful and provide a more detailed visual experience that takes advantage of our enthusiast hardware. The problem is that that hardware cost buku dollars, something console manufacturers have to consider when putting together a closed box system that they have to sell to millions of people for 5+ years. Put a number on everything that myself or the average PC gamer has in their box and your looking at a rig that could cost anywhere between $1000-2500. That ticket price does not have mass appeal so compromises were made. Now, the advantage the PS4 has over a PC gaming rig is that its x86 architecture is tailored to work with the proprietary OS and the software designed specifically for it. What this means is that Sony and company are much more likely to get greater hardware to software utilization from the parts in their static box thus getting better results with fewer resources. Run a comparable CPU in a Windows machine next to a PS4 and the PS4 will perform better because of it’s closed ecosystem. Unlike a PC that has to run Windows and any other number of programs on a million different hardware configurations, anything that runs on a PlayStation is designed just for the PlayStation and will work exactly the same on every PlayStation. PlayStation. The x86 also means timelier and higher quality ports to/from the PC. It leads to easier cross-platform development and more exposure for the developers themselves, which is good for everybody. TL;DR x86 is more developer friendly and console manufacturers simply can’t cram a $1500 gaming rig into a small form factor and expect to sell it to a market of millions profitably. Affordability + Mass Appeal = Console Gaming Disposable Income + Level of Desired Face Melting = PC Gaming I’m a PC gamer. Seeing my brothers in arms come out of the woodwork and into the spotlight in this manor makes me sad. There seems to be an ill-founded sense of superiority based on raw hardware specifications. I myself am impressed that games look as good as they do today on the 360 considering it’s internals. Have they played Halo 4? The first thought that came to mind for me was, “they can do this on a 360?” Color me impressed. I’m excited to see what they do with more up-to-date tech. It’ll be fun to see. [Reply]
  39. Date: February 27, 2013
    Author: deadz
    I won't speak for everybody.. but to me, PC Gamers bash on the console players due to the fact that the console is ruining the games for PC. the way developers work today, they create a game now for console, and then port it over for PC. that in itself ruins the games for PC, and makes the games so easy, they aren't even fun, or require no skill any longer due to the ported over hitboxes being so freaking HUGE, you could get a headshot with your eyes closed. I know they created these HUGE hitboxes for the console players and there ADHD controller, if not, they wouldn't be able to hit the broad side of a barn. and added aim assist for them also?.pathetic. don't get me wrong, if that's what console players like, so be it. But with the amount of money these developers/ companies make off games nowadays, you would think they could create a game separate from the ported over version created for the console <<--- think thats my biggest gripe [Reply]
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